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I wasn't sure if this is a rule or etiquette issue, or just the result of building pressure. At this years Colorado State Championships after the round Rob Ryan was disqualified. He was warned during the round for swearing and apologized. I don't know Rob. I have played in the group ahead of him once, and I can say he was both loud and extremely inconsiderate of our group (his one shot landed in our t-box, we were about to t-off, he made a big deal about how he shoots and next and wouldn't let us t-off until he threw, only to wait on us in the same t-box shortly after). But at the end of the event the details are fuzzy, there is talk that he swore in front of the td and a bunch of kids. After his ejection he had a full multi minute outburst of swearing in front of kids and families at the event, as well as spectators just at the park.

You can read up on it here, the real action starts around page 8 or so. I guess my question is this, if you break a rule during the event can you be ejected after the round? I don't know Rob, and don't want to pass judgement, I've expressed my one experience above and not enough to fully judge someone off. The incident is really sad to a certain degree, and from friends at the event, his outburst after the ejection in front of so many spectators and kids was described as a real embarrassment to the sport. I think besides those that played with him no one will no for sure. There was talk that he threatened the player that gave him the warning as well, which to me should be reason enough to kick anyone out of an event.

http://forum.mhdgc.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3807&start=120

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I also wanted to say I'm glad

I also wanted to say I'm glad I play with chill masters in Montana. I've always believed there is nothing wrong with being competitive, but when winning is so important stuff like this happens, it's pretty sad when think of our age as masters and where the game is going. Stories like this make me so happy to play with the people I play with, where playing your best is important but respect for the game and other players is always first. "Fun" is still part of it. I'm glad our states ended cold beers and some good laughs.

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I don't know anything about

I don't know anything about this player or this particular incident but speaking as a TD with minimal experience and having seen numerous rules infractions what it comes down to for me is if it is clearly stated as a disqualifiable offense so long as the proper warnings are given then I have no problem with it. If someone had enough of his antics and used the PDGA rules to have him DQd then good for the player for knowing how to use the rules. What it really comes down to for me though is remembering that playing in a PDGA tournament - whether you are a PDGA member or not - is a voluntary decision and by deciding to play in a PDGA event you are agreeing to abide by the rules set forth by the PDGA whether you like them, or agree with them, or not. If you don't like, or aren't willing to follow PDGA rules then you shouldn't play in PDGA tournaments, period! I really do think there should be less tolerance of rules infractions at sanctioned tournaments but it seems as if players are too afraid to hurt another player's feelings by calling infractions. Just my 2 cents.

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I agree it is hard at times

I agree it is hard at times to call people on some of the rules, especially etiquette. Maybe it's just most of us are pretty chill and we rarely play with someone that really pushes the etiquette violations. I like your reply and couldn't agree more that a player shouldn't hold back to let a player know if he is breaking the rules. I hope people tell me if I'm breaking the rules as a player as well just to improve and be aware. I just in cases like this where perhaps the player has 100% disregard for others on the course to not be shy as a young player to call someone out acting like this. Maybe if they get enough warnings early in their career they'll keep in line or take up a new career like boxing.

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I have had some experience

I have had some experience with Rob Ryan when playing in tournament rounds/events. Somewhere on the mile high thread I even share my experience with everyone what its like to play with this cat. He is HIGHLY inappropriate in his rounds at all times. Shooting 1000 rated rounds and bitching and cussing ALL OF THE TIME.
Rob is currently on probation with the PDGA:
http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/Disciplinary_Actions_Current_080611.pdf
I also saw him threaten to fight a group of guys at Edora park over the rights of who can use the park - there is a really funny notation in the Mile high thread regarding this Gem. This is during a B Tier event that has been going on for 35 years at a BUSY town park.
After a long track record of his misbehavior and players (Including myself) not calling him on it he finally had a petition signed against him to start a paper trail to determine if further action needed to be taken.
This is why him freaking out at States and being DQ'd is a big deal.
I was not there, but his track record is long and furious. If you get in a group with him, put on your NEGATIVITY BLOCKERS and turn up your Ipod. There are very few less desirable places to be while Huckin than in his presence.

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Rob had it coming.. He has

Rob had it coming.. He has consistently been complained about by most golfers that play with him. I myself consider himself to be a decent guy off the course but on the course his actions have been brutal on others that he has to play with him. I think the PDGA would have done better to give him a warning a long time ago. I think the people he plays against and the PDGA let him slide way to long before finally snapping back. The snap back was pretty stiff. I think a 6 month suspension would have served the same purpose, as well as a 2 years of probation.. Hoping he got the message. He is a talented player. Just lets his emotions get the best of him.

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We are pretty chill in MT

This topic brings me to a question that I have been asking myself since working at developing a nearly-cuss-free game. Alas, should a totally-cuss-free game be the goal (and the standard)?!

Which has had me wanting to ask the question to all here (and especially to our top rated players): "What is your interpretation of this rule?"

I personally believe that the rule is best intended to be applied to any player whose actions (ie. any continued cussing, banging equipment, throwing equipment, etc. in anger/frustration) can be disruptive to the focus of other players. Which, IMHO, also means that a single cuss word right after a bad throw, albeit qualifies as swearing, would NOT be such a distraction to anyone's focus, as to warrant a disciplinary action.

So I have wanted to flush this idea out, at least on the forum here, and see if the input from the top players indicates that there should be zero-tolerance for swearing? If so, I'll be one of the first to buckle down and teach myself to keep my mouth zipped wrt even a single swear word throughout my rounds.

However, on the other hand, I would be interested to hear if the top players give a margin to everyone for at least one swear word, say, right after a bad throw? As long as that is the end of it?