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almost able to get up there and start pokin around- thinkin of some dirtwork at the very least...

he has begun pulling the beetlekill, primarily on the lower course but over time this will become a *major* issue- to the point where design tweaks might need to happen etc...

so although hes not against concrete it gives us pause to bust ass on something that may change when trees are gone, not to mention concrete tees cannot fuck with his grooming equip on the manicured fairways when he wants to open the skiing with 6 inches of snow...many of our teepads are in these areas and even small moves to the side change teepad angles bigtime --digging them flush for concrete and gravel not unpossible but obv a big job by the time its dug, formed, poured, stripped, and backfilled...not against it but lets have them in the right spot and maybe thats still not in the middle of the xcski trail(?)

so... rubber teepads, what say ye? found some 4x6 stall mats for $40ea... not bad cost but wierd size for run-ups, actually a pretty good size for most of whats there already(on the lower anyway) between digging and or filling we would certainly strive to make a flat run up and that the rubber mat planed in with everything...i know the flypads can be slick, on the dgcoursereview site a guy said these stall mats work good upside down so the grippier side is up, also could cut & fit some larger teepads where we are used to bigger run ups...the ones i saw were on tractor supply

or do we stay with dirtwork/ gravel to the best of our abilities, then hope to place concrete where we know we want it- ? another consideration for chris is matching baskets for the lower--perhaps cycling some of the old ones further up the hill into new ground...?so we cant slay him with everything in one yr and ground should be soft here soon for scratchin out some sponser-able teepads, rubber or au natural...

for $1120ish 36 4x6' rubber mats...worth it?

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fly18?

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flighty 18

have heard not so good things about reese who does those, also closer to $100/ for a 10' pad (better than six feet fo sho) .... those rumors were yrs ago, they are still in biz, we can cut to length etc... worth talkin to chris about, its his wallet... dirtwork needs to happen either way

perhaps a mix of concrete ( where we are sure about, near roads, off trails etc) & rubber if its on a ski trail -for now...

just thinkin outloud here, wanna get goin sooner than later

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Tee pads

I think flat tee areas on every hole should be the first priority. 4x6 stall mats seems really small to me, even with my non run up runup. Maybe try 3 or 4 just to see what we think.. New baskets on the lower would be awesome. Maybe that should be priority 1A? Cement pads right now is a mistake IMO.

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locating

went up weds- the lower course is open...

last winter's lack of snow highlights why chris would like to have our teepads off the XC ski trails, he limped along with just inches of snow and even the dirtpatches we now call teepads are prone to melting more etc etc... baskets on trails are no big deal since they can be rolled off...he is thinking more about fly18 now due to their mobility as the beetlekill etc changes the course...

so locating the teepads on the lower...

hole1 is in the way of everything winter, mowed equals groomed, talked about pulling it back to the edge of pond area

hole2 tee area got all trees removed, a longer tee has been created further back across skitrail

holes 3,4,5 all good i think

hole6 can be slightly longer and be off trail

hole 7 good2go

hole8, longest on the lower needs to be moved off trail, havent been there yet

9, 10 good

11 needs moved, looked at just off right of where it is, which might make us wanna slightly move basket as well, this is a great hole as is i know but we are lookin for long term coexistence w the XC, concessions can be positive changes....?

12 we looked at makin a lil straighter anyway not a skitrail thing, as is/undecided as of now

13 uphill- forgot to ask about, think its ok...

14 shorty- needs to b moved, looked at just a few feet right in weeds, also might wanna tweak basket placement to fit

15- lil longer and left of where it is looked like the best spot off the ski trail, also possible longer pin placement

16 wet and in the ski trail, can push it right into trees which would keep it sorta short or pull it back toward 15 pin a bit on same fairway

17 should be fine

18 dont know but shouldnt be to hard to fix ifit is in the trail, hafta ask on that too

(paging zyzda & all hwdgc'rs for the course design session--maybe aunday?)

as you can see the minor shifts to get us off trails and onto permanent pads has major ramifications on how the lower course plays to say the least, we will try to be fair of course, and stay within the spirit of the hole but in some cases we may lose a favorite ol guaranteed duece down birdie ally...the facelift of a classic course has big responsibility so with that in mind we plan the future of a great track...

and there will be some changes up top as well, stay tuned for further details there...

one more item--
if the flypad material comes in a length divisible by 8' , would a 6' pad be okay for essentially standstill drives, then use the 10' for longer run ups on uphill holes...?
for instance bohart lower holes 3 & 6 get the 10' while 4&5 get the 6'.... or should they all be 8'...?

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Looks like some changes &

Looks like some changes & improvements to Bohart. Cool! Fyi, fly 18 pads come in rolls of 90' per roll and can be cut to length.

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...yes coulda researched that i guess well 10' standard is nice so a custom ahorter 8 & longer 12s would work nicely then-

gonna run the cost of using wood to frame-up a deck onto which the fly pads could be fastened, this would mean alot less dirtwork and no gravel pile leftover if a teepad were moved...

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teepads- 5'x10' concrete -fkna bitches!

forms set for holes 18,2,7,&10 lower

he's gettin a pallet of bags and renting a mixer, the pouring party starts today 1ish

doing it piecemeal, cant get loader into every spot so using a concrete truck is problematic, costs more with every delivery, and with it still pretty wet up there heavy loads damage the earth....that said if the handmixing is an absolute bitch we may rethink this...

anyway, concrete... w00t!

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two teepads in, 34 to go....

ok, yes feeding the mixer with bags of pre-mix gets old quick , took 41 60lb bags for hole18 & 36 for hole2, but they are in gosh dangit... next move is likely setting forms on several easier access teepads then calling in a truck- costwise its almost a wash...

he has been thinking of the lower course primarily but i am gently suggesting we get them all while we are in the mode- tho that may mean lookin at overall design up top
(had discussed shifting upper 6 left to improve flow to 7 and brings the wooded edge into play, also look at "snake-hole" 11 to maybe take a kink out ...)

**oddball sizes**
what say ye on the idea of something smaller than 5x10 for the few "stand and deliver" holes? lower 4, 5, 9?, upper10...thinkin a default smaller size for these, hate to be smaller than 4x8 but thats gonna be tough on upper10...we shall see

gonna finish around the back half of the pad with compacted road mix, fine grade and seed the front half, club members will still have chances to put in work hours in this way.... all matching baskets on the lower will be next then benches and shelters etc

trying to start an "adopt a hole" schedule in the two months we have til tourneytime to clean fairways and consolidate deadfall etc... hit me up at 579-five921 to help with setting, pouring, cleaning, or just throwin

cheers

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When will you guys be working

When will you guys be working this week? I'd be glad to get up there and help out whenever I can

Hunter Gordon

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this week

going up today & tomorrow i think
he needs to get loads of washed rock and roadmix to keep us goin hopefully its there today sometime...
aiming for 11ish start today, come on up and join the party
grab digging tools and gloves
dont know if i will throw after workin tonite but def throwin tmrrw nite
think we'll be getting several ready then call a truck, we will need manpower that day- but theres a bike race on sat. so ...maybe mud on friday?
will start texting around to see whos available when