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Noticed that there was no post for this A tier 190 miles from Missoula. So happy to see this. Melodie Peterson (Bailey) has a broken arm and cannot play. She called the TD on Monday of this week to say that she couldn't make it cause her arm hasn't healed as quickly as the Dr. said it would. So The TD is keeping half of her money. She hasn't been working very much and this is a huge amount to her. Really sad that some people in our family treat the game this way. 12 days notice was not enough for The TD.so sad. Stay in Montana people. I will meet you there. Trying like hell to make it this weekend. Will see you all at Zoo town!!!

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Ouch!!!

That's extremely un friendly T.D. behavior. Running it a little too much like a business, maybe??? I guess I'm not aware of all the angles but I know that would rub me the wrong way. Is there a waiver or something stating that If you end up not being able to attend that they are entitled to half your entry fee?

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It's pretty explicitly broken

It's pretty explicitly broken down in the PDGA rules but is only a guideline. It really is up to the discression of the TD. I'm sure there's more to it then we know. I would have tried to work with the player but also the TD is not entirely wrong either. At least there is no ill-will in the initial post here. Oups

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No the TD is entirely wrong.

No the TD is entirely wrong. The player even tried to get the money to apply to another player. The TD had 12 days notice. Sure the TD "can" keep the money but do people not look at themselves in the mirror anymore? With 38 entered I don't think your looking at a swamped TD. I know it's a tough job and all but I've seen event's like the Beaver State Fling and the Gentleman's club classic handle situations like this (except with 2 hours notice) without even a blink of an eye. Send the player back their money and hope they make it back next year. This in fact, does the opposite effect.

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yup

TD should return all money with a smile and a "hope to see you next time." Pretty obvious to me.

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$.02

Gotta say I come down on the side of it's ridiculous to keep the $ unless you have turned people away for that spot and you can't fill it in time to not lose money. If spots are still available it's pretty dang tough to see any reason whatsoever to keep an entry fee.

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The rest of us...

I just want to make sure that all the folks in Montana that typically participate or have participated in Spokane tourneys in the past are encouraged to come to the LCO (and other Spokane tourneys)and you are missed when you are unable to make it.

I understand some people have personal reasons that keep them from attending tournaments above and beyond financial and scheduling factors.

However, the majority of players are oblivious to the factions, the grudges, the misunderstandings, the ill intent, the pettiness and the drama that 'some' people continue to make up, uncover or stir up.

I miss you guys and just want us to all have fun.

See you at ZTO if you can't come this weekend. You will be missing a great time and you will definitely be missed by the rest of us.

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lyounger, you rock

Right on. You are awesome, Leslie. Thank you for the invite. I'll be honest, the reason I don't play Spokane tournaments is I get my ass kicked. First by the courses, second by the field. Spokane is full of huckers who make those courses look easy and score very, very low. I've played three Spokane tournaments in the last ten years, and all three had me crawling back to Missoula with my tail between my legs.

I know nothing about the "the factions, the grudges, the misunderstandings, the ill intent, the pettiness and the drama that 'some' people continue to make up, uncover or stir up." I love Spokane disc golf. I've played downriver since it had posts. Watched the buckets go up, the baskets follow, then the tee pads came and the garbage disappeared. I played there the day after Downriver Open this April and the course has never looked better. The old mental hospital grounds were beautiful. The 10-meter cables are brilliant! The OB was fair and tough, the teepads look great, and the Spokane River was as hungry as I have ever seen it (river took my XCal on 8, then almost got my champ gator on the next shot. I went swimming for that one). Spokane golfers have really made that a true destination course and deserve many, many kudos.

I'll make LCO some day, if only to erase the taste of DFL-by-100-shots the last time I was there. Plus, you guys keep taking our money back to WA with you (I'm thinking State Doubles, 2011. Way to go Team Flat Ballers), so I gotta take another stab at some point.

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MT Rules

Winterer, I appreciate your comments.
I will say however, the Montanians as a whole have done extremely well at our tournaments. In the early years of the Inland NW Series we all formed pretty strong bonds and all seemed to benefit from the diversity of our courses.

With the positive growth of the sport and the number of tournament options we don't have as much opportunity to get together these days. However, I still do my best to make at least two Montana tournaments each season.

I do hope you and others continue to play with us. I think we have a great foundation as friends and as teammates.

Respectfully,
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No! According to the

No! According to the parameters set forth by the PDGA the TD is not entirely wrong - you don't have to like or agree with it but the TD is within the rules. Now whether or not you agree with that on a personal level is a whole other story. So, not entirely wrong but also not entirely right either. It just depends on your perspective. That's my unbiased perspective with all due respect to the parties involved. I personally would have returned the money but understand it from both sides regardless of what other TDs have done at other tourneys in other states.

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Cheesy TD move.. period. No

Cheesy TD move.. period. No grudge here. Simple problem with the way people are being treated. I think most golfers would agree with the other golfers points. I have not twisted anything. Things are as reported in the first post, exactly as it happened. I wish I could report that I some how twisted something, and what has happened, isn't true. Please explain how I have mis-prescribed the situation based on anything that's happened? I would have a problem with any TD doing this. Problem is that I've never heard of another TD doing it...

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