26 replies [Last post]
bobd's picture
bobd
Offline
Joined: Jan 8 2009
Posts:
back edge

back edge of either, period.

INNOVA, only the best. | #33745

Christian's picture
Christian
Offline
Joined: Mar 9 2009
Posts:
it's the back edge...

...bob beat me to it.

www.Motodom.com2's picture
www.Motodom.com2
Offline
Joined: Apr 5 2009
Posts:
foot faults galore

I continue to be amazed at how this rule is basically not even worried about by many (except the top guns) when doing a fairway upshot with a series of run up steps.

And I still have an inner debate about how it's an "advantage" for those who do not worry about it - even in the fairway. I am concluding that there seems to be an advantage to throw, even from the fairway, without worrying about keeping it clean.

To some degree, I am getting a little more natural with my own run up that ends clean, but it's still taking an effort which would be nice to just forget about trying to "be sure." BUt that's not the game.

So, based on my personal effort, I do think it needs to be called (unofficially anyway) on any shot, including on the fairways,..until a person has had a chance to start practicing it. And more officially during tournaments, when playing against people of the same caliber for prizes, reputations like 1st place, or monies..

The unofficial aspect would at least allow a person to look down and see what we are talking about. I mean, I've been playing for a mere 10 years without thinking much about that rule (and many others) along the way! So I know full well you don't just switch to throwing clean, even from the fairway, overnight.

It just seems more and more now-a days, that we are either playing "for" something, like tags or for money, which justifies the added attention to rules. And like i said, I am willing to graciously take what I give.

Judge as ye shall be judged. (Isn't that the saying?)

shags17's picture
shags17
Offline
Joined: Mar 12 2009
Posts:
Since I can remember I have

Since I can remember I have actually always checked where my pivot point was after I threw a fairway shot, especially on holes like 11 up at Blue. When I first read and began to understand this part of the rules I was super paranoid that I would be called on it so I started watching myself. The pivot in the dirt definitely makes it way easier to evaluate where you are landing your plant foot and where it is at the time of the release. I started to slow down my run up for uphill fairway shots, and eventually stopped running up all together. Flat fairways, such as the huge ones that we have at the Fort Zoo course and a couple at Lubrecht, are a different story and I believe they are easier to get a good, legal plant behind your mini for your release.

Now, I, like many have said on here, want to be called on a violation if someone realizes that I have done so, be it a courtesy violation or a foot fault. But, the question is for a lot of us, are we honest enough that we would call a foot fault or other violation on ourselves if noone else realized it? On topic, tonight at the tag round I had about a 12 foot putt for a three on Mirkwood. I straddled, and had a slightly awkward stance because of my left foot being lower on the hill than my right foot. As a putted, I lost a bit of balance and as my putter hit chains I placed my hands on the ground in front of my lie. Being a tag round, and due to the losing light, I didn't call myself. But I kicked myself in the butt for not calling it! If that would have been in a tournament round I would be calling myself the second my hand hit the ground and hoping that someone would second it. I don't know if its been said in this thread yet, but I think one of the problems is a lot of people are afraid that if they call someone on something, that person is going to assume that the said person making the violation call has something in for them, so noone ever does.

PDGA# 33809

ScottW's picture
ScottW
Offline
Joined: Mar 14 2009
Posts:
I agree with Billy. I wish

I agree with Billy. I wish people would call me on stuff because I know I do things that are against the rules, though I don't always catch it. I wouldn't hold a grudge (unless they were a d!@k about it). I think most players are too scarred to call infractions and I need to be better about it myself, I most always see something I could call during any given round.

ScottW
PDGA # 28786

www.Motodom.com2's picture
www.Motodom.com2
Offline
Joined: Apr 5 2009
Posts:
Appreciating the 1000+ rated player input

ScottW wrote:
I wouldn't hold a grudge. I think most players are too scared to call infractions and I need to be better about it myself, I most always see something I could call during any given round.

It helps to have guys like Christian providing their input on topics like this. To hear from the top golfers in the world here say, "duty bound to call".. means to me that us mortals shouldn't be meek.

On the other hand, to hear it from them that the fairway shot (with no advantage of inches one way or the other), is not looked upon as an infraction worth bothering about, lends some sanity to the rule too. And a little unofficial comment, is okay too.

I expect to give (and take!) warnings with a lot less worry about the "di@k" label either way, as everyone is duty bound.

Enjoyed seeing the run-up footwork of the USDGC final round! Was watching for ANY infraction.. but alas.. all I saw was perfect footwork!